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Fraud Crawler
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.05 19:19:00 -
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Allow me to hurf blurf a bit.
AAA is the worst god damn alliance to have blue in the history of Eve. If you want to see an alliance that never lifts a finger to help their friends, it's AAA. If you want to see an alliance that only does the bare minimum, look at AAA. If something takes place farther than 10 jumps, AAA will never bother coming no matter how much they are needed. The only time AAA ever helped an ally was when they aided IAC against MC/BoB/FIX, and they only did that because they were directly threatened by the inevitable invasion if they didn't.
AAA is an alliance that never follows through. Remember when they "invaded" MC space with much fanfare, only to slink back to Catch a day later when MC defended it? It was too much effort, apparently. AAA could have saved KenGoku from being camped in PR- and losing Delve so easily if they sent A SINGLE FLEET to help break the camp. But that was too much for them. They didn't want to risk breaking their nails or messing up their hair.
It's nice to see that BoB will gladly bail you out when your invasion of Goon space falters, though. Too bad you don't reciprocate. And if you're wondering why you don't reciprocate, it's because you only care about yourselves. That's why you're a terrible ally. And that's why you won't have any friends to help you when we roll over Catch. But really, losing all your space is hardly a fitting punishment for being a terrible alliance. A better punishment is to force you to live in Feythabolis for the rest of your eve life.
Shoulda listened to Omeega and helped KenGoku.
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Fraud Crawler
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.05 19:33:00 -
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Edited by: Fraud Crawler on 05/03/2009 19:36:09
Originally by: Omeega
Originally by: Fraud Crawler Shoulda listened to Omeega and helped KenGoku.
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You posted multiple times suggesting that you couldn't wait to aid KenGoku.
Instead, you spent the day we were bubbling up PR- shooting offline POSes in GHZ.
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Fraud Crawler
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.05 19:40:00 -
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Edited by: Fraud Crawler on 05/03/2009 19:40:24
Originally by: TOTALHELLDEATH
Originally by: Fraud Crawler Allow me to hurf blurf a bit.
AAA is the worst god damn alliance to have blue in the history of Eve. If you want to see an alliance that never lifts a finger to help their friends, it's AAA. If you want to see an alliance that only does the bare minimum, look at AAA. If something takes place farther than 10 jumps, AAA will never bother coming no matter how much they are needed. The only time AAA ever helped an ally was when they aided IAC against MC/BoB/FIX, and they only did that because they were directly threatened by the inevitable invasion if they didn't.
AAA is an alliance that never follows through. Remember when they "invaded" MC space with much fanfare, only to slink back to Catch a day later when MC defended it? It was too much effort, apparently. AAA could have saved KenGoku from being camped in PR- and losing Delve so easily if they sent A SINGLE FLEET to help break the camp. But that was too much for them. They didn't want to risk breaking their nails or messing up their hair.
It's nice to see that BoB will gladly bail you out when your invasion of Goon space falters, though. Too bad you don't reciprocate. And if you're wondering why you don't reciprocate, it's because you only care about yourselves. That's why you're a terrible ally. And that's why you won't have any friends to help you when we roll over Catch. But really, losing all your space is hardly a fitting punishment for being a terrible alliance. A better punishment is to force you to live in Feythabolis for the rest of your eve life.
Shoulda listened to Omeega and helped KenGoku.
regarding to the last battle report on your own killboard [insert here the link to your forum]/battles/1149 Kenz dont need any help in PR- or fleet support from anyone
Kenny doesn't need Delve either, I guess!!!
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Fraud Crawler
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.05 19:44:00 -
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Edited by: Fraud Crawler on 05/03/2009 19:44:14 no, you see, I'm saying that if Kenny didn't need help in pr- they would control Delve right now and we'd be space hobos.
Read -> Comprehend -> Post
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Fraud Crawler
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.05 20:08:00 -
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i see your posting skills are as good as your trolling skills.
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Fraud Crawler
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.05 22:18:00 -
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Originally by: Svetlanna
One of the best thing we just did recently was to kick you out of your own home, and watch you leave in total panick and chaos, loosing trillions! 
And all this while you had your huge coalition backing you up at the same time! so even more 
A part from that, yea, we are bad, so bad...we know... Not as bad as your wave of cheap garbage provocation on forum, and you also know that 
What planet do you live on? We said at the very beginning of the Delve invasion that we were leaving the South and heading to Delve. We took Delve. Delve is our new home.
If you hadn't taken Feythabolis, you know what would have happened to it?
It would have gone sov neutral. Just like Tenerifis did.
You didn't accomplish anything for KenGoku. What you actually did was abandon them and greedily feasted upon abandoned regions. You got what you wanted out of the war, and screw your allies. That has always been AAA's attitude and that's why they're a terrible ally.
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Fraud Crawler
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.05 22:23:00 -
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Originally by: Palmer Eldritch
Originally by: Svetlanna
Originally by: Montasque Edited by: Montasque on 05/03/2009 22:05:22 I have a question that I hope an -A- member could answer. I've heard that the reason -A- has not fully deployed to Delve was the fact that Kenny refused assistance, and told -A- fleets that they were unwanted.
If true, it explains why -A- fleets are almost exclusively of the gank variety.
Repeating what you read or hear in Goonland should not be taken seriously. Right?
What's your explanation?
KenGoku: Help us help us AAA: om nom nom *takes abandoned space*
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Fraud Crawler
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.05 23:02:00 -
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Originally by: Das Panzer
Originally by: Jazhara Gold why dont you goons s..t up and just bring it to AAA and friends and let your pvp do the talking. people are bored of your lame forum rubbish.
you would never have taken delve if bob had kept sov
They just did! and mighty TCF cntrl+q after leaving all theyr friends to die.
GFGFGFGFGFGFGF
I guess you'd know a lot about leaving friends to die.
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Fraud Crawler
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.05 23:16:00 -
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Originally by: Kurik Chryllos
Originally by: Jazhara Gold
you would never have taken delve if bob had kept sov
How did alliances hold 0.0 space before cyno jammers and jump bridges were put into the game?
Lag.
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Fraud Crawler
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.06 01:54:00 -
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Originally by: Sionn Klorgh
While the hypocrisy flows, perhaps goons could also tell us how abandoning their allies United Legion makes them feel? While we have made a few road trips to Delve, I have never seen a single goon lift a single finger for United.
We haven't abandoned them. It's impossible for us to defend them. We haven't forgotten that we owe a lot to UNL and we offered them some of our space. They want to fight it out. That's their choice, but we will always make accommodations for them no matter what they do in the future because unlike you, we have friends.
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Fraud Crawler
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.06 02:02:00 -
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Originally by: Svetlanna
Originally by: Fraud Crawler
Originally by: Svetlanna
One of the best thing we just did recently was to kick you out of your own home, and watch you leave in total panick and chaos, loosing trillions! 
And all this while you had your huge coalition backing you up at the same time! so even more 
A part from that, yea, we are bad, so bad...we know... Not as bad as your wave of cheap garbage provocation on forum, and you also know that 
What planet do you live on? We said at the very beginning of the Delve invasion that we were leaving the South and heading to Delve. We took Delve. Delve is our new home.
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You are suffering from serious memory loss, or should I name the INFfamous Halzeimer taking control of your mind? We attacked you way before you even touched delve. And you folded like straw to the wind... Your resistance added to the help of big brothers that you brought from the North did not even help you to evacuate properly, leaving behind you ton of assets. Like I said, chaotic escape in a total panick mode, screaming with children and women behind you! you monsters!!! Booooh shame on you!
What planet do you live in? If you were doing so god damn well, why did you lose your POSes in 0oyz, dg-, and VNG? And all of Wicked Creek? Folded like "straw to the wind?" Whatever.
As for "proper evacuation," the vast majority of GS assets were evacuated. I myself evacuated 5b in assets over the weekend and another 10b in a freighter. (Yes, a regular freighter) We moved 300+ capitals and 8 titans in multiple convoys that you couldn't disrupt. We didn't need NC help to evacuate. In fact, we didn't want NC help. We wanted them in Delve. The stuff we couldn't take, we insurance frauded. Was it ideal? No. But that's what you do when you're moving. Don't spend too much time patting yourself on the back for ganking a few JFs or SamHandwich's mothership while he was high as ****, because that didn't matter. We obviously had enough assets to take Delve.
You didn't help KenGoku. That's all there is to it. You can talk all you want about how you made us lose stations or cut off our supply lines or whatever, but that's about as significant as killing a few ratting ravens or camping a gate in the grand scheme of things. We were fighting a war while you were shooting offline POSes. Good job. You are terrible allies.
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Fraud Crawler
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.06 03:44:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk On topic; I disagree with the OP about AAA being terrible allies, I think OP might be confusing allies with friends, f.i. IAC and -A- were never friends, but were useful to each other for a long time and in different ways
some examples of -A- being good allies; them intimidating MC + blob to back off IAC (after being approached about doing so by uaxdeath at the behest of mittani)
when IAC went into Querious to attempt to take 49-u from FIX (unfortunately choosing to use the terrible Brotherhood of Steel to spam towers) -A- assisted in killing a couple of GBC motherships IAC had baited and tackled (1 MC 1 ISS, both among the 10 first motherships killed)
-A- went and opened a second Querious front in ED- to help goonswarm/RA by keeping GBC elements from supporting BoB in Feythabolis
When BoB abandoned several regions they went to support MC and co in a Catch offensive this was delayed significantly by -A- and RA and to a lesser extent by Proviblob (to the extent of making the campaign a failure) This gave GoonSwarm and co time to take over the regions BoB had strategically retreated from and take the fight to Delve..
Sure -A- could've made a difference if they'd joined in the Delve offensive, but them choosing not to doesn't make them a bad ally to have, they had already contributed quite significantly to the war and in my opinion proved themselves a great ally to RSF.
I actually mentioned that in the OP. AAA only contributed to the war when it was in their direct interest to do so, and the ONLY REASON they defended IAC was because their own space was threatened if they didn't. IAC was a useful buffer.
No, AAA was never a "great ally."
Great allies... 1. See each other's interests as their own. i.e. "What's good for one of us is good for all of us." 2. Contribute, in a meaningful way, toward helping allies accomplish their goals. 3. Recognize that building a strong relationship toward other alliances is beneficial for everyone.
Bad allies... 1. Only care about their own, short term interests. 2. Only contribute when they directly benefit from the immediate operation. 3. Create and break alliances at will.
You tell me which one AAA falls under. Because it seems to me that the only thing they know how to do is "open a second front" which is always conveniently right next door.
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Fraud Crawler
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.06 04:52:00 -
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Originally by: Petar Quaresma TT, that absolutely terrible blurf about the politics of Eve deserves to be on scrapheap and not here. By that I mean it's utterly terrible and stupid- even more terrible than what belongs on these forums. By your reading of history, we're supposed to believe AAA wasn't worthless because they managed to get a gang together to gank a supercap someone else was holding down; because they assisted the absolutely terrible and massively worthless IAC in Querious against the fearsome fighting force known as FIX and because um, well I can't really see anything else from what you're saying. Oh yea, and IAC were the linchpin of our success in the "strategically abandoned" (a euphemism for "strategically taken from them") space in the South and the eventual campaign in Delve (where IAC and AAA were both worthless as a mule's behind).
Oh, and when you mentioned the Catch campaign that BoB went to help in.. do you mean the one where we came and bailed IAC out [without us IAC would have been rolled in about 3 seconds and still lost a bunch of space when the lag prevented a defense]. That was US that came up there and not AAA. I remember because IAC was too incompetent to have intell channels or joint comms to facilitate any movement in the region. What a clusterfock.
I think you're wrong. You see, AAA is not useless. AAA can gather large fleets and reinforce and blow up a lot of POS. They have a lot of Titans.
However, AAA can not be relied on to do anything. They never hold up their commitments and they will promise help until hell freezes over but will never actually contribute anything. 20 token pilots would be nice, even. But nope. AAA is a bad ally.
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